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and you said i am a ronald reagan republican. were you then -- are you now so changed that that's not true? >> i think the party has changed is what's really happened. i think regan is a great kparm. my friend, jeb bush, said not long ago, that ronald reagan would probably not be successful in today's republican party. that tells you everything you need to know. and i think it's the leadership of the party more than the membership. what's happened on issue after issue, and you know this better than i do. whether it's immigration, education, voter suppression, what the leadership has done is, say on immigration, we want deportation. when it talks about education, it's talking about not funding it anymore. when they talk about voter suppression, they deny people the right to vote -- >> but you grew up in this party. it has been a party tough on immigration before, hasn't it? hasn't it been a tough party on a number of issues you've mentioned before? >> there's no question about that. >> when do you think the republican parties brok
and you said i am a ronald reagan republican. were you then -- are you now so changed that that's not true? >> i think the party has changed is what's really happened. i think regan is a great kparm. my friend, jeb bush, said not long ago, that ronald reagan would probably not be successful in today's republican party. that tells you everything you need to know. and i think it's the leadership of the party more than the membership. what's happened on issue after issue, and you know this...
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when you compare it to tip o'neill and ronald reagan or newt gingrich in the second term of bill clinton. both told me, clinton and gingrich, they would get in a room, throw out the advisers and thrash out a deal. >> maybe they began that an sunday. i have the feeling that if you really left it to the president and the speaker, obama and boehner, they could work it out. they got forces behind both that will try to separate them, but that's where their leadership comes into play. look, this country -- i'd rather be an american economically poised for the future than a citizen of any other country in the world. what's standing in the way of us really surging economically is the government, and if we can get together and adopt a bipartisan long-term debt reduction plan, i think our economy's going to take off. >> i want to get into foreign policy now. you are the three amigos, the experts in this genre. i want to talk about the middle east exploding that you've hinted at and also benghazi and susan rice, which i know is a favorite subject of yours, senator. >> so good of you, pierce. it's m
when you compare it to tip o'neill and ronald reagan or newt gingrich in the second term of bill clinton. both told me, clinton and gingrich, they would get in a room, throw out the advisers and thrash out a deal. >> maybe they began that an sunday. i have the feeling that if you really left it to the president and the speaker, obama and boehner, they could work it out. they got forces behind both that will try to separate them, but that's where their leadership comes into play. look,...
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my friend jeb bush not long ago, in fact, said that ronald reagan probably would not be successful in today's republican party. that tells you everything you need to know. and i really think it's the leadership of the party more than the membership. but what's happened is on issue after issue, chris, and you know this better than i do, whether it's immigration, education, voter suppression, what the leadership of the party has done is say on immigration, you know, you got -- we want deportation. when it talks about education, it's talking about not funding it anymore. when they talk about voter suppression, they deny people the right to vote in a civil manner -- >> but you grew up in this party. it has been a party tough on immigration before, hasn't it? hasn't it been a party on a number of the issues you mentioned before? before recently. when is the big -- when do you think the republican party in your terms broke bad? when did it start to be a party you couldn't be comfortably a member of anymore as governor or as a political person at all? >> i think it started several years ago,
my friend jeb bush not long ago, in fact, said that ronald reagan probably would not be successful in today's republican party. that tells you everything you need to know. and i really think it's the leadership of the party more than the membership. but what's happened is on issue after issue, chris, and you know this better than i do, whether it's immigration, education, voter suppression, what the leadership of the party has done is say on immigration, you know, you got -- we want...
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that one of the political parties has gone so far star board that not even ronald reagan could get aboard. and not jeb bush. tonight we're going to nail it. we go to the truth. and why was the truth not dare be reported in the mainstream media. joining me now is joan walsh of salon and david corn of mother jones. thank you both for joining us. here's what norm wornstooen told "the huffington post" about the broadcast networks. i can't recall a campaign where i've seen more lying going on and it wasn't si mettic, but it seemed pretty clear to me that the republican campaign was just far more over the top. that's the unreported big story of american politics. if voters are going to be able to hold accountable political figures they've got to know what is going on. and if the story is they're all equally to blame, you're doing a disservice to voters and not doing what journalism is supposed to do. on "hardball" we were on the republicans throughout the primaries and during the general election. take a look at this look back. >> the crazy right rears its head. let's play "hardball." >> i didn
that one of the political parties has gone so far star board that not even ronald reagan could get aboard. and not jeb bush. tonight we're going to nail it. we go to the truth. and why was the truth not dare be reported in the mainstream media. joining me now is joan walsh of salon and david corn of mother jones. thank you both for joining us. here's what norm wornstooen told "the huffington post" about the broadcast networks. i can't recall a campaign where i've seen more lying going...
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you don't -- ronald reagan didn't love tip o'neill. tip o'neill didn't love ronald reagan, but they knew to govern -- >> they didn't hate each other. >> yeah. i mean, as lincoln said in his first inaugural, although passion may divide us, let it not break the bonds of our affection. and i would say you don't have to be affectionate or love one another, but the respect that comes out of being a politician in the best sense of the word rather than campaigning all the time, it's kabuki. it's become kabuki. it's political theater. ordinary people think it's crazy. it has become to the point of craziness. yeah. >> let's talk about respect. there are two different types of respect as well. there's personal respect and political respect. tip o'neill did not respect ronald reagan politically. he said some downright ugly things about the man and his ability to run the country. ronald reagan didn't really respect tip o'neill's viewpoints. he said some nasty things about tip o'neill. but personally, they figured out how to get along, and they did
you don't -- ronald reagan didn't love tip o'neill. tip o'neill didn't love ronald reagan, but they knew to govern -- >> they didn't hate each other. >> yeah. i mean, as lincoln said in his first inaugural, although passion may divide us, let it not break the bonds of our affection. and i would say you don't have to be affectionate or love one another, but the respect that comes out of being a politician in the best sense of the word rather than campaigning all the time, it's...
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even jeb bush said ronald reagan would have a tough time in today's republican party. having said that i want to stress that i don't think all republicans are that strident or hard right. my mom and dad, for example, are still republican, and i love them dearly and they are compassionate, kind, caring people and a lot of republicans are and are frustrated like i am. i made a personal choice to become a democrat because it's really where i'm much more comfortable. >> and now it's official. charlie crist joining us this morning. thank you, we appreciate your time. >> soledad, i want to wish my wife a happy anniversary. fourth anniversary, 12/12/12. >> done it here live on our show. i like that. >>> famed photographer has photographed someic onic images. those, straight ahead. ♪ [ woman ] ♪ what i want this season ♪ if you'd like to try and guess ♪ ♪ it is something very special ♪ i would readily confess [ dogs barking ] ♪ 'cause all i want this season ♪ ♪ is something from your heart ♪ la da da, la da da [ male announcer ] thinking of others this holi
even jeb bush said ronald reagan would have a tough time in today's republican party. having said that i want to stress that i don't think all republicans are that strident or hard right. my mom and dad, for example, are still republican, and i love them dearly and they are compassionate, kind, caring people and a lot of republicans are and are frustrated like i am. i made a personal choice to become a democrat because it's really where i'm much more comfortable. >> and now it's official....
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ronald reagan was able to do that, wolf. he was able to keep a very conservative base and make it attractive to the middle. i think there's room in the republican party to be a conservative party that has ideas that sell, not only with a conservative base but sells with a group that is much bigger because the ideas are good ones. so we cannot be a party of just white people. that's not going to cut it. when ronald reagan was elected, 88% of the voters were white. today it's 72%. you do the math. >> so how do you go out and reassure nonwhites out there whether hispanics, african-americans that the republican party is a big tent, all inclusive kind of party, for example, ronald reagan you point out what he used to talk about? >> well, first of all, you have to have candidates who don't make tragic mistakes and i'll go right to indiana and missouri. repelled women with the statements that they made. lost elections that absolutely should have been won by the republicans candidates with the statements that they made about rape. t
ronald reagan was able to do that, wolf. he was able to keep a very conservative base and make it attractive to the middle. i think there's room in the republican party to be a conservative party that has ideas that sell, not only with a conservative base but sells with a group that is much bigger because the ideas are good ones. so we cannot be a party of just white people. that's not going to cut it. when ronald reagan was elected, 88% of the voters were white. today it's 72%. you do the...
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doing what boehner, tip o'neill and ronald reagan did? this political trophy you want rising rates runs the government for left len days when. it cops to debt ceiling time, mr. president, you will have a republican party make sure we save medicare and social security from bumps and save this country from becoming greece. one of his proposals we should never have any congressional check and balance raising the debt ceiling. he got elected president, not king. he is not king. he is president. martha: are you saying that republicans are willing to go to 39.6% back to that rate but the place where they will hold the line is on the debt ceiling issue. >> rates go up no matter what we do. there needs to be revenue component of any big deal. i think capping deductions is better than raising rates. there will come a day in february and march where we have to raise the debt ceiling by trillions of dollars. we're 16 trillion in debt. is it responsible to keep borrowing money and never address why you're in debt to begin with. long-term debt is baby
doing what boehner, tip o'neill and ronald reagan did? this political trophy you want rising rates runs the government for left len days when. it cops to debt ceiling time, mr. president, you will have a republican party make sure we save medicare and social security from bumps and save this country from becoming greece. one of his proposals we should never have any congressional check and balance raising the debt ceiling. he got elected president, not king. he is not king. he is president....
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when you look back and see historically that the debt ceiling was raised 17 times, under ronald reagan and eight times under george h. w. bush canada seven times under bill clinton and six times under george w. bush, really it is honoring the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. , iaching that to a debt understand ideologically why people might want to do that, but why would you take the nation to this process? there was a passage of a special select committee. that select committee, if it did not respond with further cuts and tax increases, would seek a so-called sequestration comoe spending domestic and military spending. already in congress we obscene that while the cuts have been made on the military side, some would say there's more to come and on the domestic side and others would argue there's more to come there, the cuts have been severe. but there has not been a single cent of revenue raised even from the nation's wealthiest 2%, who have done pretty well even in these bad times. so here's where the fairness of the whole argument comes in. the fairness is not that this
when you look back and see historically that the debt ceiling was raised 17 times, under ronald reagan and eight times under george h. w. bush canada seven times under bill clinton and six times under george w. bush, really it is honoring the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. , iaching that to a debt understand ideologically why people might want to do that, but why would you take the nation to this process? there was a passage of a special select committee. that select committee,...
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in 1982 they said ronald reagan let's raise taxes and we will cut spending. they raised taxes and spending did not go down. it went up. then they went to bush eight years later, who learned nothing from reagan, and they said we will give you $2 of imaginary spending cuts for every dollar tax increase why not offer them $10 in imaginary, since it is all imaginary? he was offered $2. spending went up and not down. so we have played this game before. politicians who want to spend more money say we will cut spending in return for tax increases. they take the tax increases. because of that, you have to get to spending restraint. the 50 states have made a commitment not to raise taxes. those states that don't raise taxes, texas, florida, reform government. those states where taxes are on the table, maryland keeps raising taxes and spending like crazy. illinois keeps raising taxes instead of reforming government. california just decided to raise taxes instead of reforming their pension system. so the states are divided into those states that don't raise taxes and ar
in 1982 they said ronald reagan let's raise taxes and we will cut spending. they raised taxes and spending did not go down. it went up. then they went to bush eight years later, who learned nothing from reagan, and they said we will give you $2 of imaginary spending cuts for every dollar tax increase why not offer them $10 in imaginary, since it is all imaginary? he was offered $2. spending went up and not down. so we have played this game before. politicians who want to spend more money say we...
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ronald reagan was just a glint in right-wing californians' eyes in '78. and ted kennedy was going to be the president. >> absolutely. >> everybody knew it. everybody knew it. >> and by the way, five years ago, hillary/giuliani was a lock. >> it was a lock. if i can just say, that's how "morning joe" started its first six months, by declaring that a lock. >> that was so long ago. just like psy. >> psy, please. >>> coming up, a great game in washington yesterday. football the way it was meant to be. redskins/ravens. rg3 goes down with an injury and another rookie quarterback comes in to save the day. mike florio joins us next. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. and now -- i got a great new way to get deals. it's called bankamerideals, from bank of america. i choose the cash back deals in my mobile or onl
ronald reagan was just a glint in right-wing californians' eyes in '78. and ted kennedy was going to be the president. >> absolutely. >> everybody knew it. everybody knew it. >> and by the way, five years ago, hillary/giuliani was a lock. >> it was a lock. if i can just say, that's how "morning joe" started its first six months, by declaring that a lock. >> that was so long ago. just like psy. >> psy, please. >>> coming up, a great game in...
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in the 1980's when ronald reagan cut taxes, tremendous economic growth. one of the greatest times in history. ultimately, you look at the deficits in those periods it came because you had a congress that didn't control spending even with more money. you look at the bush tax cuts, that's what we're talking about here today. the expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax rates. when those tax cuts were put in place in 2003, back after that happened, within three years, within three years of tax cuts, the federal government took in 40% more money. you wouldn't believe that if you listened to some of the mainstream media. you would think that cutting tacks takes money away from government, you need to raise taxes to bring in revenue. the opposite is true when you look at history. forget about what politicians in washington tell you who want to take more of your money to spend on big government, when they cut taxes in 2003 within three years, the federal government took in 40% more money. mrs. blackburn: if the gentleman would yield, i think that's such an important
in the 1980's when ronald reagan cut taxes, tremendous economic growth. one of the greatest times in history. ultimately, you look at the deficits in those periods it came because you had a congress that didn't control spending even with more money. you look at the bush tax cuts, that's what we're talking about here today. the expiration of the 2001 and 2003 tax rates. when those tax cuts were put in place in 2003, back after that happened, within three years, within three years of tax cuts,...
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reagan did is really important. but these are things that i think the party can look at to improve in the years to come and that's what this committee is going to do. >> one final thing, because we're almost out of time, dick armey, the former house majority leader republican, he said this. >> we had a lot of candidates, quite frankly, who did dumb things out there. i don't think the republican party schools their candidates very well or supported their candidates very well. >> and i guess that's what your commission, your advisers are now going to come up with, how better to school candidate. is that right? >> well, i think that's important. absolutely. but, you know, there's a lot of entities involved in that and the rnc cannot necessarily pick winners and losers. look, all members of this team could do a better job of training, better job of communicating. but at the end of the day, wolf, we have to put together the mechanics and the infrastructure necessary so that four years from now we have absolutely the best
reagan did is really important. but these are things that i think the party can look at to improve in the years to come and that's what this committee is going to do. >> one final thing, because we're almost out of time, dick armey, the former house majority leader republican, he said this. >> we had a lot of candidates, quite frankly, who did dumb things out there. i don't think the republican party schools their candidates very well or supported their candidates very well....
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you know ronald reagan kept his deiry that was secret. george w. -- and now they published all of reagan's diary. i mean, who would have thought? certainly obama much more a sense of history and literature and writing from his own books and so forth, which are very kind of address the question, what's the inner life i am living? and it's very interesting. before he became president. it's really interesting now. and a description of that inner life will, you know, be something if it's candid. so let's -- i'm going to put it in the freedom of information act request for obama's diary. maybe it's done on government time and maybe the diary itself is a g.s.a. notebook or something like that and so they can't -- not going to get it. i look for -- i worry what we don't know and i'm sure it's larger than what we do think we know. >> about -- >> about any -- about him. about what he's doing. what's driving him? who's barack obama? >> and last question about to get the hook, the meltdown over there. do this very quickly. you were talking about the
you know ronald reagan kept his deiry that was secret. george w. -- and now they published all of reagan's diary. i mean, who would have thought? certainly obama much more a sense of history and literature and writing from his own books and so forth, which are very kind of address the question, what's the inner life i am living? and it's very interesting. before he became president. it's really interesting now. and a description of that inner life will, you know, be something if it's candid. so...
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. >> well, not to mention tip o'neill and ronald reagan. the spaeker wou espeaker would the white house and they would have a wonderful time together. they would have a press conference and the president would have a nap. it was a very different time. >> there's no question that the president is not somebody who has prioritized evenings with his family, instead of having a bourbon on the rocks. i think some of this is overblown. they stay in the photo room the entire night. >> powerful democratic senators who say this president does not pick up the phone and talk. >> he's not a schmoozer. >> let me. senator mccaskill, seriously, though, at least in the press appear to be being played by both sides, wouldn't you expect the president to walk over to him? the president didn't talk to anybody who didn't have their picture taken. he's in one place. i'm sure speaker boehner went through the photo line. that's not a good example. i'm not arguing the president shouldn't do more face-to-face. i agree. >> put the schmoozing thing aside how do we get
. >> well, not to mention tip o'neill and ronald reagan. the spaeker wou espeaker would the white house and they would have a wonderful time together. they would have a press conference and the president would have a nap. it was a very different time. >> there's no question that the president is not somebody who has prioritized evenings with his family, instead of having a bourbon on the rocks. i think some of this is overblown. they stay in the photo room the entire night. >>...